Peptide of the Week: BPC-157 + DSIP – Recovery Meets Rest Peptide of the Week https://peptideoftheweekpod.com/episodes/peptide-of-the-week-bpc-157-dsip-recovery-meets-rest/transcript We are not doctors. The content on this site is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Any compounds discussed may be intended for research purposes only. Use at your own risk. Amounts, timing and cycle lengths below are reported as the named speaker described them. Nothing here is a protocol to follow. --- 0:00 Speaker 0: Propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes, 0:03 Speaker 0: 0 sugar, and vitamins. Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. 0:24 Speaker 0: Welcome back to the pep chat of the week podcast. 0:27 Speaker 0: I'm your host JD Denham. Like always, my buddy sitting next to me, William T. 0:32 Speaker 0: Haas. 1st 0:33 Speaker 0: episode of 2026. 0:36 Speaker 0: Boom. New Year. Excited. Excited. We got a lot of big stuff coming, man. We got a lot of good stuff coming. I'm excited. You're excited. We're sitting here for the 1st podcast. We got 2 0:47 Speaker 0: awesome peptides that we're going to talk about. 0:50 Speaker 0: Know that these 2 are a couple of my favorites, 0:53 Speaker 0: so I'm ready to dig into this. But anything exciting 0:57 Speaker 0: happened on New Year's for you? No. We had- Boring and Good? Boring and Good. 1:04 Speaker 1: I had just a few friends over with their kids, 1:07 Speaker 1: and they all went swimming in the pool in the rain in the hot tub. I tried to warm the pool up. 1:13 Speaker 1: And it's kinda warm, but, you know, kids are crazy. I'm nuts. I don't remember being I feel like I I was a skinny kid, so I was, 1:20 Speaker 1: oh, it's cold and cold water. I hate cold water. My friends could just sit in the ocean all day long. Yeah. I would to turn purple. Yeah. 1:28 Speaker 1: But whatever. These kids were these kids were having fun running around. And then, you know, video games, dude. I just these video games drive me crazy. Yeah, it's bad. 1:37 Speaker 1: I listened to just bought Jack's 1, and I'm sitting on the what's the last night? Was sitting on my chair. And, you know, they it's different for us. We had Nintendo, dude, but they're like like Ninja Warrior. He's just all over the the living room, and I was like, jeez. What do they have, like a VR thing? It's like a little, it's not a Wii, but it's kinda like that. And so he's just like, I mean, like, rolling around, and I'm just like, I got a little bit of videos. I'm just like, dude. Yeah. So we bought I got 1 of those, like, meta VR's where you put it over your thing. I mean, it's actually incredibly cool. Yeah. It's like, damn. This thing's awesome. But we've had got it for River, and he doesn't ever play it. And then but when kids come over, they play it, and we're literally, like, 4 for 4. Right. It's, like, catastrophic injuries Yeah. The time a kid plays it. Because They run-in the wall? They, yeah, they run-in the wall or they're, like, flailing as hard as you can to get too close to a countertop and just flush their hand on thing and out on the ground crying. 2:28 Speaker 0: Videos are funny online. Yeah. They are. People running into the wall. Yeah. 2:32 Speaker 1: So I gave the VR to 1 of River's best friends on Christmas. No way. Because Got it out of here. That's because he didn't ever use it. It's like, 2:42 Speaker 1: it's expensive and cool boy and other kids appreciate 2:45 Speaker 1: Yeah. This. 2:47 Speaker 0: We're So we're working on the appreciation 2:50 Speaker 0: your toys, they get given away. Hey, man. I'm on I'm on that boat. So we're we're working on that too. Yeah. Yeah. Gratitude was not heavily at 2:59 Speaker 0: sitting within my sons 3:01 Speaker 1: for Christmas. It's taught you know, I mean, it is in a child's nature. Right? It's like, what's the most selfish 3:06 Speaker 1: being in the world is like a newborn child. Mine have just everything is about me. Mine. And that gets a little bit better 3:13 Speaker 1: as they age. And so, 3:16 Speaker 1: I don't know, they're still young, so that's 3:19 Speaker 1: yeah. And sharing, like, literally, it was like, look, dude. If 1 more time if I hear you say 1 more time that you're not gonna let him play with your toys, right, I'm giving you that toy away. Yeah. Like, you need to share. I agree. Just because you're lucky enough to have this stuff, 3:33 Speaker 0: share it with other people. And I'm serious. Me too. I'm a bad cop too. Will throw this iPad out the window. Watch me. I'm happy to poke it over my knee. Yeah. I paid for it, and I will throw it out the window. Yes. 3:45 Speaker 1: And I'll feel so happy about it. Satisfied and not feel bad when they'll be gone. 3:51 Speaker 0: So that's coming soon. Unless you're on a flight, you need an iPad. People, 3:55 Speaker 1: iPad saved us. Yeah. Yeah. Although and then sometimes when you do wanna just chill and the kid doesn't have 4:01 Speaker 1: I mean, 4:02 Speaker 0: there are necessary times. Sometimes it is really nice where they just go and be quiet. Well, on a little side note on this, like, I'm just kidding. Like, people, like any parents out there, I'm assuming you're gonna agree with this. Like, we've 4:13 Speaker 0: really paid attention. I don't know what it is about this damn iPad, these kids. 4:19 Speaker 0: It changes his personality. He goes into like demon kid. Like when he's not on the iPad for days, he's ironed out. He listens better. As soon as he starts getting on that damn iPad, he's like obsessed with it. When we wanna take when we wanna go sit down for dinner, throw his fits, it's insane, dude. So like, I'm like firsthand seeing this. This is like, 4:39 Speaker 0: dude, that stuff's the It's 4:40 Speaker 1: bad. Literally bad. Exactly 4:43 Speaker 1: it to a tee. It's crazy. So that's not an individual problem. Yeah. It's like universal. 4:49 Speaker 1: I call him like Gollum, right, from Lord of the Reyes. Isn't he precious? Know. He freaks out if he's shaking. I know. He's crazy. A little scary. Yeah. 4:57 Speaker 0: Yeah. Yeah. So 4:59 Speaker 0: anyways, that is, it's a it's a being a parent these days are harder because we didn't have to deal with that stuff. But so, like, sometimes, like, I can't even have a conversation with my wife 5:08 Speaker 0: because there's 2 kids screaming. So sometimes it's easy to put them on a dead iPad and let them do that so we can kinda get some stuff done, but 5:14 Speaker 1: we pay for it later. Pay for it later. So it's tough. It is tough. It is tough, and then I know, right, people will be like, Oh, Pat, parent, your pet just put your kid in the video game. Yeah. 5:25 Speaker 0: It's 5:27 Speaker 1: evil. Sometimes 5:28 Speaker 1: it's kind of necessary, but I couldn't agree more. It's, 5:33 Speaker 1: yeah, get outside 5:35 Speaker 1: and play, but then they I don't know. Then they- We were like the last 5:40 Speaker 0: of the Mohicans, dude. Like, we didn't play at Saints. I mean, Nintendo was alright. I was never a big Nintendo dude. I was outside breaking stuff. You know, I was a little bit of a wild kid and kind throwing rocks at things I probably shouldn't have and stuff, but at least I wasn't inside. I mean, dude, listen, this is not judgment, 5:55 Speaker 0: so I'm gonna forewarn you when I'm about to say this. Like, the dudes that are still sitting there playing the video games all day, like, 6:01 Speaker 0: I don't know, man. It's each his own, but like, my wife my wife was always like, I'm so glad you're not a video game guy, you know? 6:09 Speaker 0: Right. 6:10 Speaker 0: GHK-3s. Nothing wrong with playing video games. So you guys are doing 6:13 Speaker 0: men who still play video games. Each is not my gig. Thank God. So each is on. But let's get into and it, my friends. Okay, so we got 2. 6:21 Speaker 0: Body protective compound, better known as BPC-one 6:25 Speaker 0: 57 6:26 Speaker 0: and Delta sleep inducing peptide, which is better known for DSIP. 6:31 Speaker 0: Now, these 2 are very different, 6:34 Speaker 0: but we'll get into how they tie together 6:36 Speaker 0: here momentarily. 6:38 Speaker 0: But I want to start with BPC-1571. 6:42 Speaker 0: Almost 6:43 Speaker 0: everybody knows about it. 2, 6:46 Speaker 0: for a lack of a better way to say it, it's almost like a gateway 6:50 Speaker 0: into peptides, 6:51 Speaker 0: getting into them more. Why? Because most people who lift weights have had tendonitis and things like that. And if you are 40 and lifting weights, there is no way you don't have tendonitis. You haven't had it multiple times because getting old, you just get that where you can't even do curls. It's brutal. 7:09 Speaker 0: So that's kind of a gateway, I think, for a lot of, for me, for a lot of our friends. So I know that you and I kind of know the cool story about how 7:16 Speaker 0: BPC 7:17 Speaker 0: came about. For anybody that doesn't know, it's a cool story. Let me throw it over to you, and why don't you kind of unwind where they found it? So when how they so yes. BPC-one 7:27 Speaker 1: hundred 57 is body protection compound, 157. So scientists basically were wondering, 7:33 Speaker 1: hey, 7:34 Speaker 1: if our stomach acid just burns and disintegrates everything that we put in the stomach, okay, why doesn't it just burn a hole right through ourselves? 7:43 Speaker 1: Right? Makes sense. Because it makes sense. Because it can. It can the acids should 7:47 Speaker 1: burn right through our flesh. And 7:50 Speaker 1: the reason is that, I mean, God is smart, and he's made our bodies this way. But there is like a mucous membrane, 7:58 Speaker 1: right, that lines our stomach. Okay? They said, Well, what the hell? Why is that so strong? Okay? They put it under a microscope and they identified this 1 peptide chain that is 8:09 Speaker 1: that this mucous membrane is just full of. And, actually, the mucous membrane does does get burnt through. The deal is, though, that there's so much of this BPC-one 8:20 Speaker 1: 157 that it heals itself 8:23 Speaker 1: faster than the stomach acids can burn through it. Okay? So cool. Which is cool. And they say, well, well, okay. 8:30 Speaker 1: If this thing can heal 8:32 Speaker 1: itself that fast, can it apply to different parts in the human body besides that? So, you know, they pulled it out, recreated 8:40 Speaker 1: the peptide, 8:41 Speaker 1: and decided, hey, let's try this and inject it into a human and see if it helps recover something else, and it absolutely does. 8:48 Speaker 1: That was Superman. It's and that was Superman. 8:51 Speaker 1: It's 1 of the most, I don't know, I guess, fast acting, effective, and 8:56 Speaker 1: well known peptides 8:58 Speaker 1: out for good reason. Yeah. It really, really, really works and relatively quick. 9:04 Speaker 1: It's 9:05 Speaker 1: but but so, like, I guess, limitations. So it is really worry 9:09 Speaker 1: really focusing on collagen. Okay? And therefore, anything that's made out of collagen. So so its main focus is tendons and ligaments. 9:19 Speaker 1: When there's 2 ways to take BPC-one hundred 57. There's oral pills, okay, or or injectables. 9:25 Speaker 1: The orals are really going to 9:28 Speaker 1: reinforce the stomach lining. Okay? So those of you who have leaky gut, 9:33 Speaker 1: like 9:34 Speaker 1: leaky gut, I forget the actual scientific name of that. But, basically, what is happening is your mucous membrane is has a hole being burnt out of it. Lurking through it. 9:44 Speaker 1: Ulcerative colitis. K? So that is what's happening. And you for some reason, your stomach lining is whacking some BPC or has been broke down too much, and now that acid is burning through and burning in your stomach, and it's very uncomfortable. So what so oral version, cool. That's gonna just that's gonna replenish that mucous membrane, and it's BPC is, like, FDA approved for that use. 10:08 Speaker 1: K? It is proven, and it works for that absolute use. So pills is really gonna focus back back to your gut where it was made. Injections is gonna focus on your body, and it does have a systemic effect. So there's 3 10:20 Speaker 1: 3, I think. 3 3 or 4 main things that BPC does. A, it's a signaling peptide. So it will go look at your body and say, where are we deficient in collagen? K? So if anybody has a torn 10:32 Speaker 1: tendon, tendonitis, 10:34 Speaker 1: you know, ligaments torn, it's gonna know that, and it's gonna focus everybody's all the healing 10:41 Speaker 1: all the healing actions that take place in the human body right there. K? 10:46 Speaker 1: 2, it helps with collagen absorption. So normally, we eat food, and we turn that into collagen. Now our body doesn't turn it convert that very well, nor does it allow our body to actually absorb all of the collagen. So BPC is gonna just boost the hell out of the collagen absorption. So we're getting twice as much building materials Huge. Essentially 11:06 Speaker 1: to go heal that single injury spot. Yeah. 11:09 Speaker 1: Angiogenesis. 11:11 Speaker 1: So it assists 11:12 Speaker 1: in the formation of new blood vessels. So blood is life. Okay? Blood carries nutrients, 11:18 Speaker 1: and nutrients heal things. This is why 11:21 Speaker 1: and it allows, like, the right amount of inflammation. 11:25 Speaker 1: Okay? So we need inflammation. Why do we have inflammation? It's because that because that is just blood going to an injured spot. This is why when we roll our ankle, it swells. Yeah. K? That's God's way of Healing it. Healing it. Right? It's pushing blood down. Now our body does go a little bit too overboard at times, and this is why people want to, you know, ice and get rid of inflammation. But it actually kinda helps regulate the inflammation. It allows the correct amount of inflammation to come in, but not an overwhelming amount of inflammation even throughout the whole body. Now I did say the injections are systemic. It helps the whole whole body, but you are better off if you have an acute injury to 12:04 Speaker 1: inject right into the spot. But, basically, the goal is like, hey, if it is my knee, I get tendonitis right right here. You know, I'm gonna do daily injections and make a triangle around the spot and daily 12:16 Speaker 1: just do the injections right there. You can go intramuscularly 12:19 Speaker 1: or 12:20 Speaker 1: if you have 3 arms or use, like, a chip clip if you want. Just do that, and then just put it subcutaneous, 12:27 Speaker 1: which is just underneath the skin instead of But in the injury. To the muscle. But I would put it right at the site of the injury. Because it's gonna bring blood. Yep. To it. It's gonna bring blood and healing materials and allow more collagen to get absorbed right into that spot and tell all the other things, all the 12:43 Speaker 1: stem cells and everything else to go heal, heal, heal. Get working. Yeah. Such a And it good 1. And it freaking works. I think that probably I have 15 friends at this point who've had just gnarly tendonitis and have all done this, and it has healed them. I had tendonitis so bad for mostly doing pull ups. I actually identified it. You can see where what tendon is is getting messed up and how you're hurting it by, hey. Let's pull on each finger. Which 1 is activating? Which one's hurting the most? Right? Yeah. And for me, it was my pinky, which makes sense. 13:13 Speaker 1: Here's a trivia question. If you had 1 finger to cut off, 13:17 Speaker 1: what would the finger be? Which would which finger would you choose? Besides the thumb, we all know that we need our thumb. Oh. What do you think is the most 13:24 Speaker 0: Probably this guy. Used? Probably this guy. You think you don't use this 1? Yeah. I think you could do the good with these 3. That's that's That is correct. Because if you think about it, this guy, you can probably but, like Absolutely. You need these other guys a little bit. Pinky is the most important 1. This is our final grip Yeah. Right there. Like, that's what solidifies grip. 13:42 Speaker 1: So it makes sense. I did lots of pull ups, and 13:46 Speaker 1: and then every time that 13:48 Speaker 1: just just a little word to the wise, grip the bar and keep the bar gripped. You develop tendonitis. 13:53 Speaker 1: That that way, you're using your muscle. 13:56 Speaker 1: As soon as that bar starts slipping like this, all we're doing is just locking our fingers, and now we're just using our tendons 14:02 Speaker 1: to hold that bar. Right. And our tendons are not that strong. They're not meant to hold that much weight. So just regrip. Yeah. Okay? Take a little break, regrip, and do it again. You won't develop tendonitis. But if you do, which most of us just keep moving. It sucks. 14:18 Speaker 1: BPC is the the healer. But, I mean, I was hurting so bad I couldn't even, like, dry myself off with a towel, like pushing, you know, pushing against myself. 14:25 Speaker 1: Just killing me. And 14:28 Speaker 1: know, 30 days of BPC daily, 14:31 Speaker 1: they were about 95% 14:32 Speaker 1: better and have not come back since. It's crazy 14:37 Speaker 0: too how many times I've used it for injuries, and I'm still blown away by it. I know. So 14:41 Speaker 0: a little fun fact of how I got into peptides, know, Will's been into peptides a lot longer than me. I mean, this was like probably 6 years ago. Like, 14:49 Speaker 0: as he said, I had tendonitis in my elbow and I couldn't even do curl. I literally couldn't even do curls. And I usually muscle through everything. Like, I'm just gonna work out. Like, it's either I work out or somebody gets stabbed. I'm going to the gym. You know, I work out injured all the time, but man, I couldn't even 15:04 Speaker 0: work out. That's how bad it was. And so I called Will and I said, you know, we were talking about it, blah blah blah. And he goes, try this. And I had not even heard of peptides at the time. What is it? BPC-one 15:13 Speaker 0: hundred 57. How do you use it? You inject it right into that, you know, mind hypnotic right there. Man, I don't know what to know, maybe 5 days. It was very quick. It was very quick and I was like, Holy shit. 15:24 Speaker 0: Wow. Yeah. So that was my 1st, well, so as I said, for lack of a better way to say it, gateway 15:30 Speaker 0: into peptides for most people is either Retrutide or BPC, in my opinion. You do those, those 2 are the 2 that actually work very quickly. 15:39 Speaker 0: And I think that most people kind of start with those 2. Yeah, for the most part. For the most part. Yeah. 15:45 Speaker 0: Another 1, though, like, 15:47 Speaker 0: I'm constantly blown away by how good that they work. Will and I were talking about this before we started recording it. I was just in Cabo, 15:55 Speaker 0: and I always take peptides with me. I don't usually always take the BPC or the TB, but I 16:02 Speaker 0: took the BPC just not thinking that I was gonna need it. 16:06 Speaker 0: And I'm glad I did because I went, like, I think it was the 2nd day I was lifting straight bar bench. And man, on the 2nd 1, I freaking am 16:15 Speaker 0: positive that my chest ripped. 16:18 Speaker 0: I was like, Woah. And to the degree where I stopped doing chest that day, again, which is rare for me. If I stop, then I'm hurt. And I was actually worried that I freaking really injured it. So I was like, Dude, now I just got here. So I went back, man, and loaded that BPC up and blasted 16:34 Speaker 0: it. And I'm not kidding you. Like, this is not at a convenience of us sitting on this, talking about this peptide. 16:40 Speaker 0: Within 3 hours after injecting it, the pain had subsided quite a bit. And I was like, Wow, wow. You know? And then so the entire trip, I blasted it the whole time. And today, it was the 1st day this morning, I lifted my chest for this time and I went really slow and light. But man, the expedition 16:58 Speaker 0: of how freaking fast this thing recovered. I thought I was gonna be- I thought it was gonna be a pretty bad injury. 17:05 Speaker 1: Whoo! 17:06 Speaker 0: Now- Going way by it. So how much did you do? What was the injection? I mean, I had a 20 mg bottle and so I did it that week. So I was doing, you know, I think, was it like 30? 17:18 Speaker 0: Right. I was squeezing 17:19 Speaker 0: it in, you know, blasting it and healed quick. And then when I came home, 17:24 Speaker 0: added the Wolverine into it because I love the Wolverine, but the 17:28 Speaker 0: BPC is powerful, man. I would tell you, 17:31 Speaker 0: oh, somebody had come in earlier and we were talking about different things, blah, blah. And we 17:36 Speaker 0: got on the subject ironically, and I was telling him, I said, If I had 1 peptide 17:40 Speaker 0: that I could choose, and that would be my only 1 for the rest of my life, it would be BPC. It's freaking universal. 1, because I'm never going to stop lifting weights. Yeah. And 2, even though the injectable is not directly for the gut necessarily, 17:54 Speaker 0: I do believe that it does help with the gut. It will. It will, yeah. So it will primarily 17:59 Speaker 1: go for- Injuries for division. Deficiencies 18:02 Speaker 1: and injuries, and then secondarily 18:05 Speaker 1: go into the gut. So it's not like it's worthless for the gut. And everybody needs gut good gut health. Right? Especially for the gut. Brain access. They say, like, our guts are intuitive 18:14 Speaker 1: brain of our body. Huge. Very important that that thing is working 18:18 Speaker 1: working right. Yeah, that will benefit everybody. 18:22 Speaker 1: Other thing so so, 18:23 Speaker 1: okay, so you did 20 mg just to kinda help people. 20 mg over what? A week? Yeah. Okay. How many injections? Because I only was only there for week. Yeah. Every day. 5 days? Every day. Okay. Yeah. So 4 mg a day, let's say. Yeah. So BPC 18:38 Speaker 1: can be used high. There is no 18:41 Speaker 0: limit. I mean, you after surgery, you're doing A lot. What, 15 mgs a day? I did I did 2 bottles. 18:48 Speaker 0: I did 3 bottles in the morning of the TB BPC blend. Uh-huh. Bottles, 10 mg-ten mg. Yep. In the in the morning and then 2 at night. Was directed by our buddy Paul, who was on here recently, 19:00 Speaker 0: that he works with a lot of pro athletes. And so I did a 5 day of just saturating, 19:05 Speaker 0: blasting it. You know, I luckily have access to getting it, 19:10 Speaker 0: you know, and I was able to do high doses and blown 19:14 Speaker 0: away. We were here. Blown the freak away. How I was in the gym 2 weeks after my surgery, and I have, you know, quite a bit of followers on my channels. And like, people were like, What? They were seeing me in the gym because I was posting videos like, What are you thinking, dude? I'm like, I feel And freaking 19:28 Speaker 0: then like 2 weeks later, I think I was starting to lift heavier and like, Dude, you're nuts. I'm like, I feel freaking amazing. Yeah. And so now, 19:35 Speaker 0: just for anybody, you know, for me, what I'm trying to do is like, Will and I talk about this all the time, but like, 19:41 Speaker 0: we need as humans, we need to think through things. Think through our diet, what works for me, think through our workout 19:48 Speaker 0: strategy, 19:49 Speaker 0: blah, blah, blah. Have to think through everything and have a protocol and have like a direction, right? So for me, with back surgeries, I've had 4, 19:55 Speaker 0: I'm 19:56 Speaker 0: taking a lot of the Wolverine 19:58 Speaker 0: on a daily basis. You know, I'm able to do that. 20:01 Speaker 0: You know, I'd like to have my wife do it, but I don't wanna have her do it every time. So I'm just kind of reaching back and pinching, you know, back here, and I'm putting some back there. Why? 20:10 Speaker 0: I mean, it helps with the TB- 20:12 Speaker 0: cells, the tissue repair, blah, blah, blah. I'm trying to- Propel fitness water with Gatorade electrolytes, 20:18 Speaker 0: 0 sugar, and vitamins. 20:20 Speaker 0: Propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade electrolytes. 20:30 Speaker 0: Stay ahead of this and not have another surgery. So if I can blast this every day, 20:35 Speaker 0: screw it, dude. Why would I not? Yep. You know I mean? I it 3 days a week. Just, I mean, I would Try Heal? You like Try Heal? I do like Try Heal because it has so much TB-five hundred in it, 20:46 Speaker 1: And it's got KPV, and KPV just directly helps the gut. And, again, that 20:51 Speaker 1: helps everybody. But, I mean, I'm doing it 3 days a week and probably about 2 mg of BPC 20:58 Speaker 1: and 2.5 times. That's that's 2 that's like, I don't know, it's 8 mg or something like that of TB-five hundred and then 21:06 Speaker 1: 2 mg KPV 21:07 Speaker 1: 3 days a week. 21:10 Speaker 1: I know a huge difference. I've had 15 plus surgeries. 21:14 Speaker 1: I just lived been a rough kid and played sports. I have 2 pins in my my right foot, a pin in my left foot. I've had back surgery. I've had, like, a full line 21:22 Speaker 1: stomach with metal mesh. I've had broken 21:26 Speaker 1: all my fingers, basically, of wrist surgery. So when I get up in the morning, I'm limping around for the 1st hour. But when I am now actually taking these things on a regular basis, I don't. I wake up 21:37 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I feel amazing. I don't feel like I was, you know, 15 again, but 21:43 Speaker 1: but I feel so much better than I than I actually should. 21:47 Speaker 1: The other thing I guess I wanna point out from questions is we talk about sub q, 21:53 Speaker 1: intramuscular like I have even, and I'm not saying I'm just telling this is my personal story, in my tendonitis here, right, I can feel the tendon. I know I can feel that tendon. I I actually inject, like, 22:05 Speaker 1: right into the tendon 22:07 Speaker 1: with a brand new needle. Oh, yeah. It gets better cut through like butter. Yeah. And it's kind of a weird feeling. But 22:16 Speaker 1: and it I guess it's a little discomfort, 22:18 Speaker 1: I guess, when you're when you're actually injecting it because it's just some foreign substance into a tightly wound piece of tissue. But 22:26 Speaker 1: I seem to have really good results with that. Oh, yeah. It just works. 22:29 Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, it's 22:32 Speaker 1: like you how 22:35 Speaker 0: good it works, it still amazes me. It's almost like you haven't had an injury for a while, and then you take it and you're like, holy shit. Woah. Like, dude. I had a little fun fact for my old man. You know, he's older and like, he's had back problems forever. Like, you know, he knows what his son does. And I'm like, Pop, listen, like take this damn stuff, dude. Would you take this stuff? He doesn't want to inject. I get it. Listen, I don't judge, whatever. Anyway, so long story short, the man finally, on Christmas, 22:59 Speaker 0: started He was over the house and 23:01 Speaker 0: injected it for the 1st time. I did it for him. I sent him home with a bottle, and he's raving about it. Yeah. Yeah. He took my son to jujitsu today because I had to come in and record it below, and he's wearing the the Warrior Maker shirt and all that stuff. He's proud old man, dude, and he's like, my nut stuff's to pass. So that's great. Good story. Same to my my mother has had arthritis in both of her hands. She's, like, 90 now. 23:22 Speaker 1: And started injecting the BBZ, and actually, like, courageously 23:27 Speaker 1: like, I can't believe that she figured out 23:29 Speaker 1: because it's tough to inject yourself in your own hand. Right? Like, you have to basically dig the needle in 23:34 Speaker 1: under the legs and then get it in there. And she's the 1 that said, well, I just went and got that, like, a chip clip 23:40 Speaker 1: Smart. And clipped it in there. But she said that she stopped, and she goes to the doctor. She she had brain surgery, and she wants to know 23:47 Speaker 1: she wants to see how her body's actually recovering, right, like how her motor skills are working. But previously, she went in for a checkup, and the doctor's like, yeah, you still have arthritis. And she's like, not in my right hand anymore. 23:58 Speaker 1: This hand sure doesn't feel like it, which is the hand she's been injecting in. Yeah. But post surgery, she stopped the BPC because she said, it works too good, and I wanna know exactly what my brain healing is doing to myself, right, and not artificially heal away too fast. 24:13 Speaker 1: Each his own, man. Each his own. But that's a good thing. So there it is. I mean, BPC is is awesome. I guess I would say it depends on you can't you really just cannot overdo it. Yeah. So the amount you wanna take depends on your pocketbook, 24:27 Speaker 1: really. But 24:29 Speaker 1: I would say, hey, ranging between, like, 0.5 a milligram. I wouldn't there's no point in really doing anything less than that. Yeah. Doing 0.5 a milligram daily 24:37 Speaker 1: up to, on the average, I don't know, a normal person, 24:41 Speaker 1: 2 mg 24:43 Speaker 1: daily. 24:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. Daily. Daily. Don't miss it. Or 3 days a week. Like, I go so for general like, if we're talking about acute injury healing, let's go daily. For sure. 24:52 Speaker 1: If we're talking about just kind of maintenance in your whole and systemic, 24:57 Speaker 1: we want lower inflammation, 24:59 Speaker 1: everything to, yeah, 25:01 Speaker 1: feel better, recover a little bit faster, then then 3 days a week is okay on a maintenance regimen. That's what I'm doing. For sure. 25:07 Speaker 1: But 25:08 Speaker 1: and and, again, and I do sub q for the maintenance regimen. Acute injury, I'm putting it right in the spot. 25:16 Speaker 0: Mic drop. Yep. Mic drop. That's it. If you have not tried it, there you go. It will help with injuries, no doubt. If you're about to have a surgery, I would suggest that you take it 3 weeks up to the surgery, 25:26 Speaker 0: get 25:27 Speaker 0: those stem cells working. If you're going to do the blend TB, know, I'm adding in the TB for that, but tissue repair, add up to the surgery. After the surgery, 25:36 Speaker 0: how much do you take? 25:37 Speaker 0: I would take a lot if you can afford it. I would take a lot if you can afford it. If you can't afford it, still take some. BPC is gonna expedite you healing, 25:44 Speaker 0: I promise you. It's just a freaking 25:47 Speaker 1: it's amazing. It is amazing. Now with the and now there is 20 mg, just BPC alone, 25:52 Speaker 1: 30 mg plus 30 mg 25:55 Speaker 1: Wolverine, which is Wolverine, 25:57 Speaker 1: everybody, is is BPC-one 25:59 Speaker 1: hundred 57 plus TB-five hundred, which is actually Thymosin beta-four. So make sure you're getting Thymosin beta-four. 26:05 Speaker 1: But everybody just calls it TB-five hundred. But 26:08 Speaker 1: that is what the Wolverine blend is. And I now see it at 30 mg, plus 30 mg. And then also, 26:15 Speaker 1: you there is available a just 20 mg BPC- 26:18 Speaker 0: Yep. Alone. Yep. K. Bada bom boom. So 26:22 Speaker 0: now let's 26:23 Speaker 0: let's get into 26:25 Speaker 0: the DSIP. Now for me, for someone like me, this has been amazing. This has been a lifesaver. So if you are listening to this and you are like me, I sleep like shit. I sleep like shit. I don't know why. I don't know if my brain's always firing. I mean, I'm always on my damn phone, so I'm assuming that has something to do with it. I need to be able to calm my head. The beauty of DSIP is the fact that even 26:46 Speaker 0: if you only sleep 4 to 5 hours like me, if I'm lucky, 26:50 Speaker 0: it'll at least help you get into the deep So tell us a little bit about it. Dig into that a little bit about the DSIP and kind of what it is, what like some of the beauties of it. So yes, we'll do that, and then we'll just tell you why sleep is good. 27:02 Speaker 1: What's going on? We want to talk about fitness. Like, sleep is 1 of the most damn important things. I mean, the holy trinity is like is exercise, nutrition, sleep. Hell yeah. Okay? Those all need to be happening for you to make progress. Right. K? Sleep is super important. 27:18 Speaker 1: Okay. So DSIP, 27:19 Speaker 1: Delta sleep delta sleep inducing So 27:23 Speaker 1: it is not just a, like, 27:26 Speaker 1: on off switch to sleep. Right? It's not like, oh, cool. I'm gonna take this and then whack, I'm gonna die. Meaning, it doesn't make you tired at all. Drooling on myself. It doesn't really make you tired. No. It does not make you yawn tired. Yeah. So it's not like a sedative or it's not like something that you're taking to actually or melatonin that's gonna actually make you get tired. Right. It's just when you sleep, you sleep well. You sleep well. And it but it does help you get into the mood for sleeping. Yeah. So we basically 27:54 Speaker 1: it's interesting. 27:55 Speaker 1: It's less of just an on off switch and more of it hits 27:59 Speaker 1: on several different kind of receptor sites. 28:02 Speaker 1: And 28:03 Speaker 1: essentially, 28:04 Speaker 1: all of those receptor sites all contribute to 28:07 Speaker 1: helping your brain and body be less excitable. 28:11 Speaker 1: And so we all just kind of calm down. So like, number 1, yes, while you're sleeping, okay, it is going to improve 28:18 Speaker 1: that delta wave sleep, which we have studied and when we know that that is the deep sleep. That's the actual restful recovery sleep. Yeah. So those of you who don't sleep enough, hey, at least you'll be in that deep sleep, and you'll get the the recovery sleep. Huge. Staying on the fringes of that and maybe sleep 4 or 5 hours, but don't really get anything from that. Yeah. So increasing the delta wave sleep, yes, cool. That's kind of in the that's in the name. We know that. 2, 28:44 Speaker 1: the neurotransmitter 28:45 Speaker 1: modulation. So it is going to increase your GABA, 28:49 Speaker 1: which is a in your brain, that's what helps you calm down. That's 1 of the neurotransmitters that helps you calm down. And then what's it? NMDA 28:59 Speaker 1: DA and glutamate. 29:01 Speaker 1: Those both are the opposite. Those things keep you excitable, and it basically puts the brakes on those. It inhibits those guys. 29:08 Speaker 1: So it's basically making your brain just wind down, kinda like how you feel 29:13 Speaker 1: after you've read 10 pages of a book. Yeah. That's what I that's my sleeping pill. Yep. Yep. Sure you use Right? 29:20 Speaker 1: Just calms you down. So brain so there, it also then 29:24 Speaker 1: reduces cortisol levels. Hell yeah. That's huge. And cortisol 29:28 Speaker 1: is kind of like the worst thing that we can think of for being in shape. Also, when your when your cortisol levels are elevated, you have more energy. You're more excitable. The whole point of cortisol is our fight or flight. 29:41 Speaker 1: That's our fight or flight hormone. Yeah. So 29:44 Speaker 1: our body still thinks that we are cavemen. 29:47 Speaker 1: And 29:48 Speaker 1: when we are trapped in any stressful situation, 29:51 Speaker 1: right, our cortisol hormone is going off. Oh. It is designed to give us 29:55 Speaker 1: quick energy. 29:57 Speaker 1: So it basically when your cortisol hormone's going off, so anytime that you're stressed, 30:01 Speaker 1: frankly, or low on sleep, right, you get 3 3 hours of sleep. Guess what? All day long, your body's in a stressed state. Yep. K? 30:07 Speaker 1: When you drink alcohol, gets poisoned. As soon as you start drinking alcohol to the time it's burnt off, which is tomorrow afternoon, 30:13 Speaker 1: your body's in a stress state. Your cortisol hormone's going off. And what that is doing is it is breaking down your muscle and converting that into sugar and filling your blood with sugar, okay, increasing your blood sugar so which you so now you have some energy, some quick energy to, you know, fight off a bear in a cave because, again, it thinks we're cavemen, we need this quick energy. And that energy that you do not burn off, then it gets to, great. Let's store that as fat, K? Because I need it because I'm stressed out, and I can't I I don't wanna die of of 30:45 Speaker 1: starvation and or 30:48 Speaker 1: Right. Temperature. Right? I don't wanna freeze to death. So all of those bad things are happening when your cortisol levels are going on. 30:54 Speaker 1: Why we build when in folks, we build most of our muscle when we are asleep. The majority of PT meds. We can talk about that in a 2nd. But so it's gonna reduce your cortisol levels. It is think of DSIP as 31:06 Speaker 1: it's really just more of like a it's regulator. It's regulating all of these things. So it so it helps bring your cortisol levels down to normal normal levels. 31:14 Speaker 1: It will increase your 31:16 Speaker 1: melatonin, 31:17 Speaker 1: like you so you should say Melanotan. 31:19 Speaker 1: Melatonin 31:20 Speaker 1: levels a little bit. Okay? Not like a pure melatonin pill that really I don't know. That stuff works on me. I I I go to sleep fast. Melatonin? Yeah. Yeah. It's great. But too much. I sleep a little bit. Yeah. But it will increase your melatonin to kind of correct sleep levels. It will it will boost your circadian rhythm. So that's when when our body goes, 31:40 Speaker 1: hey. Look. It's dark outside. It might be time for me to start winding down. Right? 31:46 Speaker 1: And in today's society, we don't really care about that. We have electricity and things to do, so that doesn't really affect most of us, but it is good to get back to that natural circadian 31:55 Speaker 1: rhythm. Right? And and frankly, it reduces pain a little bit. So a lot of people are not sleeping because of kind of minor pain, little little nerve nerve pains, and reducing that 32:07 Speaker 1: pain a little bit is gonna help you actually get some good restful sleep. So all of those things in 32:13 Speaker 1: coming together in conjunction 32:16 Speaker 1: help you get 32:18 Speaker 1: into the sleep mode to sleep better, 32:20 Speaker 1: recover better, and, yeah, get good, restful sleep. 32:24 Speaker 0: Huge, man. I think in today's 32:26 Speaker 0: world with the amount of stress everybody's under, 32:29 Speaker 0: driving in traffic, 32:31 Speaker 0: mindlessly scrolling. 32:32 Speaker 0: I'm not judging because I do that at night. I usually wind down about 08:00 upstairs and I mindlessly scroll and 32:38 Speaker 0: our brains are just all 32:41 Speaker 0: the time. So this is going help with that. 32:43 Speaker 0: What is it? The hypothalamus where it's going to regulate that, which is like the brain's control center that tells you to sleep or tells you to stay awake. It's like the control center with all that. It helps regulate that. So I think that us as humans with so much going on in today's world, those things are just out of whack or shaken. 1 of the things 33:02 Speaker 0: I 33:03 Speaker 0: plan on doing in 2026 33:05 Speaker 0: is 33:06 Speaker 0: I wait when I wake up, I don't look at my phone for an hour. I am extremely disciplined about it, but I don't do that at night. So now what I wanna do is put my damn phone down at 08:00. I'm gonna go put it on the charger, buy my bed, and then 1, be more present with my kids. Yeah. Right? And let my brain start to just, 33:24 Speaker 0: I think that's a big problem is just as my MC scroll. Like, scrolling about shit, we don't care nothing about, but we're just like this, dude. It's like zombies. 33:32 Speaker 1: That stuff is just not how we were supposed to be, TB- Not at all. Now luckily, I, like, do not have that problem because I don't view social media. It just does not interest me. And I guess I would if I have done that, I'll feel endlessly guilty of like, oh my god. Just waste time. 33:45 Speaker 1: There's an hour of my life I'll never get back on. Absolutely no for no reason. 33:50 Speaker 1: But that my but, like, we know this, dude. Like, little kids, right, don't put them in front of a TV screen. Right? They see all these flashing images. Right? And it just makes their attention deficit Yep. Disorder 34:01 Speaker 1: go through the root because they're used to, like, whoops, stimulation. Need it. Need it. Need it. Need it. I have been very good at just and mostly because I enjoy it. I'm usually really good at things I enjoy. 34:13 Speaker 1: I I read every night. That helps. I 34:15 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I read every single night, and that is what 34:19 Speaker 0: puts me to sleep. I've gone through stages where I 34:21 Speaker 0: either, like, read a whole lot, that's all I do, and then I don't read for a long time. I don't know why that is, but I go through stages, but I will start enforcing that stuff because I know so little kind of a side note here is for a very long time, I wasn't on social media. I wasn't on it for a long time. I think when my Jax was born, I got back on it because I wanted to post a picture of my son, blah, blah, blah. And now 34:41 Speaker 0: for what I do for a living, like, I'm on my social media all freaking day. And what I have noticed 34:47 Speaker 0: with a lot of deep thinking about this is I have a hard freaking time 34:51 Speaker 0: shutting my brain down. I was on vacation with my kids. Now, there was freaking chaos. They're screaming and yelling, and that part is what it is. But I had the hardest damn time of just freaking relaxing 35:01 Speaker 0: and being present. When I got home, I felt a little guilty because I'm like, 35:04 Speaker 0: I'm just always freaking 35:06 Speaker 1: it's addictive. Yep. So I'm trying I'm trying to break some of that habit. So you said we'll do it. It's like and it's crazy. I mean, based on that profile, you know, 35:13 Speaker 1: take it an hour before you go to sleep. Take take it 2 hours before you go to sleep. Mhmm. Because it's not gonna just ruin your night. Yeah. It's not gonna just make you fall I've never felt tired from it. Like, you don't feel like, oh, I'm okay. Be like, calm down. But I agree. I mean, the phone that stimulation, 35:29 Speaker 1: no. And I need a wind down time, regardless if it's I don't know, even without the phone, I just need some time. Yeah. I can't go from busy, busy, busy looking on my phone, doing a bunch of stuff to, like, 35:40 Speaker 1: out. Right. Although, if you ask my girl, I mean, I'm pretty good at giving me 5 minutes sitting up straight, and I'll fall asleep. Too done. Yeah. Too What? Done. For 35:49 Speaker 1: the most part, when it's it's like bedtime and wind down, yeah, 35:53 Speaker 1: this this stuff is awesome, and it'll basically get you in the mood for sleep. 35:58 Speaker 1: And what does sleep do? Why do we wanna sleep? 36:01 Speaker 0: What are some things Very, very, 36:03 Speaker 0: important. Growth hormone spurts. 36:05 Speaker 0: Yep. Woo. Those are great. 36:07 Speaker 0: Right? 36:08 Speaker 0: Resetting your nervous system. Huge 36:12 Speaker 0: tissue repair, 36:13 Speaker 0: growth. I mean, if you want to get big, you want to get ripped, you need to sleep. You have to sleep. You won't get ripped, and you won't if you need to sleep, people think that you get big when you're at the gym. You don't you're not growing at the gym. No. You're growing asleep. You're growing asleep. So basically, like People think that, though. When you're in the 36:29 Speaker 1: gym, you are breaking muscle down. Right? You are tearing your muscles. K? We're causing thousands of small little micro tears in our muscles. 36:37 Speaker 1: Then you 36:38 Speaker 1: eat protein. The protein is the building blocks of muscle. That's the only way. That's the building materials. If you wanna build a log cabin, you need the logs. 36:47 Speaker 1: And then those building materials and all of your workers, really sorry, guys, but, like, they just go to work at night when you're sleeping. Great. That's it. 36:56 Speaker 1: There's very little muscle growth going on during the day of a normal unenhanced 37:02 Speaker 1: person. 37:03 Speaker 1: That is when I say enhance, if you start taking testosterone at a decent amount and any other steroids, 37:09 Speaker 1: game changer. K? Then sleep is not that that important, 37:13 Speaker 1: although still for your mental health it is, 37:16 Speaker 1: but you'll still grow muscle and burn fat all day. But 37:19 Speaker 1: without that, a normal- Well, tell them why, though, because that you were we were talking about that earlier. It says shut off the cortisol. You know, I guess here's what bugs me is I've seen in the past big these giant, like, professional bodybuilders go on social media and just and tell everybody, like, how 37:33 Speaker 1: amazing their their work ethic is and because then they and they only sleep, like, 2 hours a night because they're grinding, and you look at them, they're 3 50 pounds of muscle. And that gives people the wrong idea that, 37:43 Speaker 1: oh, shit, I don't need to sleep. I just need to lift 37:46 Speaker 1: all day, every day, and for 4 hours. Like, for a normal person, that's not realistic. They are taking steroids. Okay? And no knock on them. Cool. I like steroids. Might be the trend. Yeah. 37:58 Speaker 1: But it might be the trend. But but you 38:01 Speaker 1: basically, when you're taking testosterone, 38:03 Speaker 1: it really just basically shuts down your cortisol hormone. Okay? So your body then so during the day, normally, we go through these stressful times. Our cortisol hormone's going off. We don't grow any muscle, nor do we burn fat. So it 38:16 Speaker 1: is testosterone and steroids. Just shut that all down. So now our body grows 38:20 Speaker 1: 20 fourseven. 38:22 Speaker 1: All right? Yep. So by instead of for 8 hours or 6 hours or 4 hours, 20 fourseven muscles just grow back. That is why you see massive gains when you're 38:34 Speaker 0: taking steroids and or high levels of testosterone. 38:37 Speaker 1: So then if you're not on on you're not juicing people, you need sleep. You need sleep. If you're not juicing, you have to have sleep. Is It 1 of the most important things that there possibly is. You cannot grow muscle, and you will burn a lot of fat. If your metabolism is good and you're doing all the right things, you'd be very surprised that you burn a lot how much fat you burn in the middle of the night. Oh, yeah. If you sweat in the middle of night and it's not hot, like, good for you. Your metabolism's hot. Or you sweat doing doing doing training in the middle of the night. Right? Because your metabolism is going through the roof. Yeah. 39:07 Speaker 0: It's like it's so shredded on it. Just I've done trim before. It's been years. I mean, that's just brutal, but like years and years and years ago, and I remember like, I was just like, you are so freaking hot all the time. Yeah. 39:17 Speaker 0: You're like a fireball. Well, yeah. Yeah. 39:21 Speaker 0: It sucks. It does suck. Yeah. It sucks. Horrible. 39:24 Speaker 1: But sleep is just really, really important, 39:27 Speaker 1: folks. 39:29 Speaker 1: Long term, I guess we did not say is, hey. You live life. You learn all these new things, and it's in your short term memory. When we go to sleep, if you sleep correctly and get into your good 39:39 Speaker 1: delta wave restful sleep, that is when all that short term memory 39:43 Speaker 1: gets backed up like a computer into your long term 39:47 Speaker 1: storage. Have long term memory, and now you actually retain that instead of tomorrow forgetting. 39:52 Speaker 0: So 39:53 Speaker 1: if you're feeling dumb tomorrow, 39:55 Speaker 1: you probably didn't sleep enough. 39:57 Speaker 0: Well, I'm not forgetting everything. Yeah. 39:59 Speaker 0: So those 2 go hand in hand, man. We told we told you we would tie them together. You need to sleep. You need to recover. You need to heal. You need to do that when you sleep. You want to grow, you need to do that when you sleep. So those 2 are great for anybody that has not tried DSIP and you sleep like shit. I'm just going to say it again. It has been amazing for me. I get like 5 hours of sleep. I would love to get more, but it kind of is what it is. But when I do take it, I do feel more rested, 40:24 Speaker 1: and that works. Yep. Works for me. I'm gonna start doing experimenting on my days off, like taking it during the day. 40:35 Speaker 0: To 40:37 Speaker 0: help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self. What propels you? Propel with Gatorade Electrolytes. 40:45 Speaker 0: See if it calms down? See if it just kind of yeah. See what see what see if it, yeah, calms me down and maybe makes me 40:52 Speaker 1: there are times where I'm like, just too much is going on. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I just can't focus. Or or I guess my problem is I try to do the 30 things at once. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then just never get anything Little bits. 41:06 Speaker 1: And it's not the effective way. So I guess my what part of my New Year's resolutions is like 41:11 Speaker 1: Focus on 1 thing. Focus on 1 thing. Apparently, this is what Steve Jobs would do. Yeah. And I guess you gotta learn from brilliant, successful people. Promose he does that? He would just go, I'll just no. But the problem is I mean, but I can't make an excuse because Steve Jobs had some other people depending on him too. Right, and asking him things. But I guess somehow he just said, nope, not now. No. 41:32 Speaker 1: Go away. I'm just finishing just 1 test 1st. Now you can get hit me. But sometimes it feels like I just can't do that when I have 15 people who need something time sensitive right now. 41:43 Speaker 0: It's rough. But 41:44 Speaker 0: Yeah. Prioritize delegates. Shut the door, lock the door. For most, he talks about, like, turning it super dark. He puts his headphones on, and when he needs to focus, he focus. That's that's muscle. I mean, it's not easy to do that. 42:37 Speaker 0: I will be working out till I die. I'll be 42:40 Speaker 1: 85 doing those 2 pound weights, but I will be in the gym. Yeah, and those of you who know like, Hey, we may look good. 42:48 Speaker 1: Oh, man, like, 1st look so healthy and brisked up, but, like, there is there is a price. 42:54 Speaker 1: You ask anybody who is 42:57 Speaker 1: who is lean and has a good amount of muscle, they're hurting. 43:01 Speaker 1: Hell yeah. That's the price you pay. 43:04 Speaker 0: Thank God for BPC, baby. Yep. Good stuff. Cool, man. Anything else before we take off? Oh, I got nothing. Alright, everybody. I hope you enjoyed this episode. 43:13 Speaker 0: 1st 1 of the year. Catch you on the Rock Sound. Later.